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Oh drunk I am how wet I'll be if I don't find the bathroom key. I found the key but where's the door? Oops, it's too late. It's on the floor. But you didn't think I was gonna start with that? No, I did not. Yeah, that's in honor of a fella by name of Wilder W crane Jr, wild man, crane crane was my one of my professors at the University of Wisconsin. And that was one of the songs he used to play on his piano, and we'd go over to his house, which is right around the corner from the university. And he had one that I can't sing Oh, she looks so fair in the midnight Arab. We can't go any further than that, of course. But what he would do is he would get a undergraduate and graduate students and he would invite the ones that he liked, and I was one was very fortunate and what he would do we sit around talking about politics, Wilder crane was born in 1928, died in 1985. He was a member of the Wisconsin assembly, Dr. Crane is from Chippewa Falls, believe it or not here originally was a lumberjack. One of the things we used to talk about, he's talking about the importance of doing real work, kind of cool. And so he became a professor after he was in the Wisconsin assembly. And the University of Wisconsin, he got his master's degree from Harvard. He was the Ivy League man, he used to say things like that in the bucket of warm spit. He was just a great guy. Yeah.

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So somebody's definitely down to earth and understands how the world really works versus sitting on your magical special golden throne.

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So you wonder sometimes where I get what I get where I got, and that doesn't make any sense. But as many difference he was in the was the assembly back and 57 and 5858. Dr. Osborne, he is a Republican, and one of the things he introduced was legislation to publish the names of juvenile offenders. He thought that the highlight that and he opposed a 1957 resolution honoring the great Senator Joseph McCarthy from Wisconsin, so he was a little bit of a radical

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or interesting yeah, most people have no clue that McCarthy was the senator from Wisconsin, it's like erased from memory. All the knows the memes from modern, how call low information perspectives.

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Yeah, only Wisconsin could we elect Bill Ziglar as the mayor of Milwaukee, who was a true socialist communist. We had just a whole bunch of people that were I mean, hardcore communist that wound up becoming elected officials. And at the same time you had Joseph McCarthy and I brought this up I brought I brought this up because you think there is a professor anywhere today in the world it would invite students over their house would play their baby grand piano sing little dirty songs. Like she looks so fair in the midnight area with wind blowing up her nightie again, I'm not gonna go any further with that. And we just sat around shot the breeze you think and Oh, and by the way, I was 17 at the time. And the beer and the in the brandy flow like crazy think that stuff would happen? I would

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imagine not. But I'm sure we have a few examples. Somebody could point to

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Well, I bring that up, because I think it's really, really incredibly important that we just simply have open discussions. And that's what we do here on the Paul Truesdale. podcast has been a while but it was last time we did one two weeks ago. I don't recall. So we said we get the introduction out of the way we get our little disclaimer and we'll be right back.

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Well, I'm Paul Truesdell. And you are somebody else the somebody else. Well, this is the paltry zone. Somebody else podcast. Ask I have a question for you. We have Republicans including Lindsey Graham, that since I started off with politics, and my my good friend, Lindsey Graham says that the Biden is intention. I can't make this up raising gas prices as a way to facilitate the transition from fossil fuels to electric everything. What do you think?

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I mean, it's an it's a hyperbolic statement. But I mean, you can see where somebody would come to that conclusion. When I saw in the news today, there was a several headlines with relation to Oh, the Biden administration is considering considering supporting the reopening of stalled gas refineries, oil refineries, and how they're putting together a plan because you know, gas prices are too high. Really, really this these are this is the same government that told everybody accurately weeks ahead of time that no Russia is going to invade Ukraine and that's going to create a problem. You couldn't couldn't have done this in the first second, third, fourth week of March. No very interesting coordinates. It's just it's stupid. I mean, you know, according to Lindsey, lack of prioritization on stuff stuff that actually matters is ridiculous. But you know, to be fair, I mean, the the the rank idiocy of the voting public allows this type of you know stuff to happen because if the public was actually mad about gas prices like where the protests were or people mad Holleran doing the things that you do to, you know, register your, your dissatisfaction with the government in their policies. I mean, people forget in the early part of this year, it seems like it's been multiple years by now. But that's how things seem to be this this year. Or there's a lot there's a little country most people probably can't find on a map to save their life. But um, Kazakhstan had a almost coup or well not coup, more like a color revolution, but an almost a color revolution over the fact that their state subsidized gas prices went from like one cent to two cents per gallon. Whoa,

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I'd be upset too. Aren't they located near kangaroo in China? Yeah, they're

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a little country that Russia thought that they had control over and sent their little, I don't know, whatever, their little pathetic NATO equivalent for Asia over there to go help him round up the coup and the Kazakhstan he's like, nope, get out of here, please leave, we've got it under control. Thanks for your very, very high level of concern. We don't want to be a bunch of a bunch of challenge puppets, like Belarus has been turned into. So they sent him packing, of course, you know, for the, for the Russians, that's probably a good thing that they didn't also have a have to have a military presence in Kazakhstan, because, you know, they pulled What 40 Something like 40,000 troops out of Syria to fight this war in Ukraine, you know, they're scraping the very bottom of the bucket of what their global military capacity that has available to them anyways, so but it is funny because people forget, you know, to to at least Westerners, you know, the tiny little increase of gas prices like that, obviously, it's a doubling. So percentage wise, it's big. But you know, we're over here looking at we're looking down the barrel of a gun of 10 $15 a gallon gas prices, because Wait

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a minute, did you say 10 and $15 a gallon gas prices?

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Yes. People don't think that that's possible. But you know, you look at the long tail that the entire petroleum industry has on it. As far as getting anything going and stopping anything. Good luck, I don't I it's gonna be a total disaster going forward. From that perspective, it's just it's, you know, because the United States is going to have to carry we're going to have to carry Europe on our back at the same time.

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Well, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, one at all. I gave you a very special word that made no sense. So if you know what that word was just a few minutes ago, send me an email to Paul to Paul truesdell.com. And I'll give you a very special gift to you. I don't think you even caught it, did you? i I'm pretty sure I did. You didn't catch it. So anyways, yeah, that guy's Lindsay said this is a conscious effort by the Biden administration to destroy fossil fuel production in the United States to get away from fossil fuels. And you're living this experience and you know, it is true. I mean, look, you know, if they want to make rapid change, they got to be able to fill the void and you don't

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Yeah, well, that's the problem with the conspiracy theory, right? And like, you know, it I don't remember who said it, whatever, these quotes and cliches roll around inside my head like they do everybody else. But uh, you know, it's for me, it will always be difficult to attribute to to malice, what is easily explained by incompetence. And what I see right now is a tremendous amount of incompetence from at least the outward facing leadership of the government. And like you're saying, You're exactly right, you know, okay, you know, you can you can, you can lean on the old was it Rahm Emanuel, don't let a good crisis go to waste. But the problem is, is what you just said, you need to have an alternative, prepared and ready to go. And what's the alternative? Oh, to just sit around and sit on your hands and hope and wait, that something gets better in the near term, like that's not a solution. There are solutions, they're just not going to be comfortable for certain people. And those solutions are open pipelines, open oil wells, and open refineries and pump and refine more than we have ever before. Because our competition is on their back crying from a like a like a stuck pig right now. But the downside of that is that they can't supply oil because nobody wants to pay for it and their currency and all the other global Global Affairs related to that.

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Well, you so you said that people are just sitting around right? I mean, that could be that could be the solution not doing anything. Just sit around. Oh, yes.

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Yes. Well, we all know that you know, if you want to if you want to win politically in the United States, the best way to do it is to destroy the economy. Yeah, that's the best way to get reelected guys. Well, we had it let's just not do anything. Let's just sit on our hands and It'll all get better in time. That's always been the American way or

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Well, there it is possible, because we're going to come back to it. We're not going to do it now. But it could be that the American Way is new American way of doing nothing and sit on your hands could be explained what happened to ancient civilizations. We'll come back to that at the very end of this and tie it together. So if you want to know what might have happened to ancient civilizations, hang in there I saw in Las Vegas over Memorial Day. I don't think this group of people is going to allow fossil fuels go away. You had a freeway filled with Hells Angels and Yeah, well, they You had then you had the Vargas you had that biker gang. Well, they were coming back from a Veterans Cemetery run. Yes. motorcycle gang was coming back from a veteran's motorcycle run and Hells Angel him ambushed him. So they're making some arrests. Las Vegas is one of the highest murder rates in the nation. Of course you got Chicago? Well, I know can't believe it.

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A city built on organized crime has a high organized crime and murder rate.

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But hey, listen, you know, they do have they do have origin organization. They have a chapter president. They have a man that's in charge of club recruits. And so anyways, that happened in Henderson so the Henderson police are licking their wounds while they're also fixing the wounds of about seven eight people that got popped. So again, do anybody out there with a motorcycle gang? Are you going to be riding electric motorcycles? Just curious. What do you think?

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I will say I've seen some of these electric motorcycles and they're pretty wicked go really fast really quick. Yeah, the point that even professional motorcycle riders have a have a heck of a time actually staying on them, given how quickly they accelerate.

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But when I was a kid, we used to take baseball cards, I probably had a Mickey Mantle that would be worth several $100,000 Right now, but we used to put them in our bicycle, you know, sprockets, and the what's it called? Not sprockets.

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I have absolutely no idea what it's called.

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Well, you know, I'm talking about the little metal things. I've lost it right now. Anyway. Yeah, we'll call it that. And of course, made her own engine noises. So will these will these electric crotch rockets because you can't do not gas rockets or these electric crotch rockets. So you're gonna put a little smart.

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Some of these electric ones literally are crotch rockets, like you pull the throttle on. It's going as fast as a rocket almost like some of these guys, they get them to play around with them. They film videos like oh, we're gonna we're gonna full throttle the thing and it literally just it races beyond their ability to hang on.

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Yes, I see that the dude is the dude is on the asphalt on his acid,

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or more typically on his face. Yeah, true.

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Hey, Johnny Depp, we, you have a couple of things. Tell everybody what you've been doing. We had a few drinks, and we watch something on YouTube. What do we watch? Yeah, we watched

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some clips and some compilations of clips from the DEP trial. Since it has come to a close. I had no interest in following this, you know, celebrity BS. And you know, just thought it was kind of dumb. And then what was the week before last or whatever, I saw a clip on it. And somebody had been talking about it. And I was like, Okay, well, I'll entertain this a little bit. This actually seems pretty interesting. And the more you dig into it, the more fascinating it was, to me, a lot of people seem to watch these from a pure just kind of celebrity off factor. For me, it was actually, you know, a little bit more nuanced than that. Because for me, it was, you know, typically, your televised trials are things that are simple, right? They're just criminal stuff. I mean, some of it can be a little sophisticated. And you know, nothing's nothing simple. But you know, okay, you got a murder trial, or you got an assault, you know, whatever, whatever it is, right? Self Defense trials are, of course, been popular. But this one is really interesting, because of the circumstances of the trial itself and how it played out. Basically, everything was allowed to come into trial. I mean, you know, the claim in and of itself is just a simple defamation case.

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Apparently not to the jury. They're still out two days, they can't figure this thing out.

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Yeah, there's, we'll get to that. But um, it's interesting, because the, you know, it could have been a simple defamation case, right. But then what happens, the defamation case between two divorced people, all right, pretty simple. Should be pretty. It should be a pretty simple case to try. You either said something that wasn't true. And you defamed somebody, or you said something that was true. And it's not defamation, but you violated the was it called the last phrase for it, but anyways, the clause and the divorce agreement, non disclosure, I guess, non disclosure, and I guess, we had some language in there about not saying, you know, derogatory things about each other,

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which is really common when you have anybody who has any kind of celebrity status. So for

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Deaf, obviously, you know, it's kind of a slam dunk, you know, he can win, he can win or lose on either one of those and he wins, right? And he can get his story out there about, you know, either this person can't follow their agreements, or if he's not an abuser, which in my opinion, his not from everything I've seen, he then is able to air out his dirty laundry and show that this person is a liar and is just vindictive, right? Just kind of simple, really simple. One way or the other. Either way, it's a I win, I lose, I lose I win type situation. Anyway, or you get my point. So instead, what is what is, hurts people do is his ex wife. Her attorneys on her behalf file a counterclaim. Oh, he's defaming me and he's causing all this reputational harm and stuff. So now you just okay. Now it's no longer limited to this. This is now because she doesn't have any specific claims. I guess she does have a specific claim but it's vague and weird and goes back a lot of years and it's it drags everything about their entire relationship into court. And then because there's claims on damages and reputational harm and career harm on the careers What else then oh, we get to Dragon all their finances and all their movie roles and everybody that's ever worked with them and every little nook and cranny so you know, the reality the

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fact that she's recording him without his knowledge in his house, and somebody did duty in the bed, like, so many

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things. But but so from from, you know, real macro perspective, you know, you've got what you've got just a basic kind of free speech case going on, right? Am I allowed to say something or not? You have contract law at play having to do with you know, divorce a divorce settlement or divorce agreement?

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You read that very well? Yes.

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Then you've got you've got a psychology angle, because both of them are claiming the other one has mental problems.

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Yes, you read that very well. I thought he was great at that. And

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then then the other thing you've got is you've got a lot of entertainment law going on. And then of course, the contract law that goes into that because that crap gets struggling as well. So you know, you get a full spectrum of really kind of anything that will ever be other than some weird each area of like corporate law, you can basically get all of the normal realms of legal activity that go on either somebody's nuts somebody's a criminal, somebody is a wife beater somebody is, you know, you know, who's paying who, you know, it's it's actually pretty amazing. So there's, there's so many little, there's so many details involved, you know, I guess what the trial went on for six weeks, I guess the variations started the last day of Friday of week six. So you know, you got a lot of information. Granted, I only followed it for a week and even then I didn't really follow it as closely as some people do. It's a fantastic thing. I think in hindsight that you can go through once we find the outcome of it

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Oh, it's going to be a great if you're if you're a law school student, and you're looking for a project to do take that thing and just outline outline it and the number of insane how do I word this properly? The number of insane comments objections in strategy by the defense is mind boggling. Oh, it's the case. Let's name that old woman that was representing him. I'm being mean a her. What was her name? Elaine? Elaine? I'm just being mean about it because

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Chloe lane is a crazy cat lady. I mean, yes, she is. Everybody on the internet knows that they've it's she just, she's she's a lunatic as far as anybody can tell this despite being looking like she's in her 50s she is acting as if she's, you know, one or two years out of law school. And you know, this is her first big trial here.

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She looks like Moms Mabley but the white version of Moms Mabley that graduated to law school at age 80 going dead admin.

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That's wild. But yeah, you're right. I mean, because it is televised. And because it's such a complex case with so many angles, even though the actual the actual, you know, what the actual litigation is about it's actually pretty simple. It is, is it will be a study for modern law students and people to go through because a good example is like, you know, the what is the defense you know, given their case, I thought the guy primary attorney, I think the guy's name was rotten born he you know, terrible, terrible, terrible name for an attorney. But I thought he did a pretty good job in his closing but he had to hand it off to the to Elaine, the crazy cat lady. And the best description I heard about it was it was as if she just like threw a bunch of spaghetti against the wall. It was like it was a scene from the the only conclusion you can come to we talked about this last night was you know, the only conclusion you could have come to is the guy, the guy and Billy Madison at the end where he's where he tells them that nothing you said was was comprehensive and we're all dumber for listen to him and that that is the most perfect answer to what she just rambled on about. I mean, you know, in your closing argument when you're doing a countersuit against somebody or counterclaim against somebody for $100 million, when you and your closing ramble on about how Oh, you know, we 100 million obviously is a ridiculous claim. Well, you know, basically please give us $300,000 I was like, what

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what was the name of that of that female attorney again, it was her first name, Elaine, Elaine. So I wrote

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I can't remember her name but I just have I have it linked in my little relational database called my brain a with with Seinfeld and if I can't remember what her name was Seinfeld yet okay, Lane. Well,

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that's good because he lanes a comedian on Seinfeld and I refer to Moms Mabley M A Bley. Her real name is Loretta Mary Atkins. She was born in 1894. She died in 1975. And she went by the name of Moms Mabley. She's a stand up comedian. Funny as all Billy Hill she was a veteran of what's known as the yellow This is called the Chitlin Circuit. Now the Chitlin Circuit was a group of comedians and vaudevillians that did the what was called the African American vaudeville circuit. There was actually a thing back in the day people don't ever talk about that. Yeah. No, we can't talk about that. But anyways, I can't I don't care if you don't like it. She appeared on The Ed Sullivan Show. I remember seeing her on that she was on the Smothers Brothers show. She was from White Plains, New York. Hilarious. Absolutely. So you get a chance. There is some really good stuff there. She was born in North Carolina Moms Mabley. And so Elaine reminded me of while we were sitting there, I said maths. You might be a mom, maybe because that woman was flat as funny.

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Well, this woman is not. She's not fun. It wasn't supposed to be funny. She was supposed to put on a legal defense.

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Oh, very poor job. But she had good comedy. Yes, for sure. Yeah.

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I think the best commentary I saw anybody says she she presents herself as someone who probably has a tremendous amount of deposition experience and very little actual trial experience. Primarily, I guess, based on the way she asked her questions, lots of tongue twisters and mindbenders to get people to trip up, which is not what you want. In a courtroom, you want in the courtroom, you want people to you want to ask very simple questions, because you know, the assumption is the jury and the people that are watching the gallery, and even the judge at times are dumb, and they actually don't really give a hoot about what this lawsuit is, especially when it's too rich people screaming at each other. You know, when it's too rich, you know, as I heard somebody put it two rich assholes yelling at each other about No, you live on a private island. And no, you live in a penthouse and all of our luxury vacations together, normal people can't relate to that, especially when you've taken them away from their livelihoods for $30 a day. I mean, I've said, you know, I've been the jury duty and I've done enough of that crap now that I've had all the ends of the of the of the spectrum of for experience. And you know, the reality is, is if I was in that case, I would have bullied my way to be the foreman. And I once we got to the end of that extremely excruciating six weeks out of said, Hey, guys, he's jury instructions are non binding, we are not forced to use them. So here's what we're going to do an Ontario in front of everybody, I don't care about these. And this is a waste of our time, we're not going to go through 38 pages of jury instructions. And I'd take a poll, what does everybody think, Okay, everybody agrees on this, okay, a guy in the corner who is being a little too, uh, following the rules a little too much, we're gonna bully you until you agree. And then on Friday, we're going home, or we're going to you know, and that's

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the way jury trials work when, when there's at least one person like you or I and of course, I'll never be in a jury. But But I

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mean, that's what I would have done. Because, you know, these people have bills, these people have jobs, these people have things to do in real life. And you know, they've been doing this crap for six weeks, I wouldn't entertain these ridiculous instructions. That is a waste of everybody's time. My personal opinion is if I was there, I would deny the counterclaim rule or, you know, decide in favor of debt. And then the question then becomes, what are damages? Well, $1 is just insulting for a multitude of reasons. But, you know, for given the circumstances, in my opinion, what a disgusting human being his ex wife is, um, I would I would award Uh, huh. They have it all in evidence. So let's say the divorce settlement minus $1. How about that? That seems fair to me, Johnny

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Depp performed to a sold out crowd alongside a fellow by the name of Jeff Beck at the Royal Albert Hall in London, and for three nights in a row it has since the since the trial, and it's been a complete sellout. He was there with his ex girlfriend, Kate Moss, who, apparently you know more about this than I do. But she was called as a rebuttal witness. And, yeah, apparently he got a standing ovation, Hollywood style. And they were chanting We love you, Johnny. We love you, Johnny. I think that's not too bad of a guess. Because this shows? Well, it's a data point. I guess, Amber probably isn't going to get those kinds of accolades from anybody except for.

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Yeah, no, I don't think so. But I mean, you know, so So the situation of Kate Moss is interesting. He dated her in the 90s. And, you know, there's like, no negative press about any of that. It was just so you know, whatever. Whatever happened to happen. Nobody said anything mean or bad about each other, as far as I'm aware, but for some reason, Amber Heard, I thought it was very important to tell everybody that Johnny had pushed Kate Moss down the stairs at a hotel in Jamaica, I think it was Jamaica, Bahamas, Jamaica, something like that. And so this claim was made, you know, total hearsay, absolutely not, but you know, whatever. So they brought her as a on rebuttal. They brought her as a as a witness. And she testified very narrowly to that specific incident, by video chat or whatever. And she basically said no, like it was raining. He left the hotel room before she did, he was down like the lobby or whatever. There was a lot of rain that was all over the main stairwell or whatever, for whatever reason, and she didn't notice it and she slipped and fell on her back when she was walking down the stairs. He hurt her shout and pain or whatever went and found her laying on the stairs, took her back up to the hotel room and then called a doctor that was just like wow, that's that's a big difference between getting pushed down

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stairs. You know, once upon a time, people used to fear pain. Surgery. Yeah, not anymore.

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As far as I can tell, nobody gets prosecuted for perjury and civil trials or anything, even in criminal trials that aren't of any substance anymore. Like judges have gotten really lacks with that kind of stuff.

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I will say one of the things I was impressed with what a little I saw of it is he dressed beautifully. I thought he was unbelievably well dressed in every single situation. Yeah,

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I agree. I think she dressed pretty well. But the problem is, is like she just doesn't she didn't she couldn't dress for the occasion. She's obviously one of these people that just she does whatever the hell she wants to do. And nobody around her can wrangle her you know, opinions or whatever without probably you know, getting vodka bottles.

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Well, most people have a hairstyle like that. She had

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every day it was different. Yeah. I mean, well, if you look at like any she where was the stylist or somebody that could have just told her hate wear wear like a professional legal attire. Like it's not hard. It's easy. It's pretty inexpensive. You don't have to go and get your hair redone every day. You don't have to go and get weird designer jackets and outfits and things that really are just like, sure some of it looks fairly nice and interesting. But it just doesn't really fit the occasion. It's a courtroom. You're supposed to be innocuous, but professional.

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Well, I have an awful lot of courtroom experience, both criminal and civil, civil in terms of being a witness and an expert witness rather for plaintiffs in litigation for auto insurance and securities fraud and suitability, that sort of thing. But in a prior life, I used to do a lot of criminal or arrests that I made in investigations I had and I think it'd be a good time to drop a little quick story. And one of the things I had to unit Well, no, I've told you before I had my deposition uniform. Sure. So what's the deposition uniform? Do you think very Do you think any many cops don't even know what that's about?

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Well find me a cop that cares enough about their cases to put any thought into the deposition. Sidenote, I saw there's a because because I found a couple people that have been following this trial on YouTube, doing live streams and stuff, found a whole community of people that are like just attorneys who upload videos about legal stuff. Some of them it's kind of interesting, but this one guy, he I think is his name is literally the DUI guy. But anyways, he's like Kentucky, I think, tourney in Kentucky, and he does all kinds of stuff. But the one thing he does a lot of is DUI cases. And he uploads after case trials are done, he uploads it gets a gets the in Courthouse video, and then uploads the whole thing real. So I watched a couple of them because they have the entire like, he'll do an entire, you know, direct and cross and redirect of like a police officer and the pivotal moments in some of his cases. And some of them were recently like within three four months, which is which is interesting. But anyways, and you know, it's all miked properly and everything even though it's just like a normal like county or local

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trials, you gotta you gotta share that with basketball.

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But mentioning this is that he there was this DUI case and this one one video I watched and the guy who I think was a Kentucky State Trooper or something and he just he just destroyed him like he humiliated this guy in the case fell apart because of an ended up dismissing the charges. Well, I can I can so my point is is like you know, if people who are you know, troopers usually a little bit higher stature type people, this guy had a lot of credentials, but just be was not schooled on the facts enough. The guy was able to just widdle his case down in that nothing. Yeah, I

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had very few cases ever went when I call with a number of the amount of arrests in an activity. It was very, very low. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So one of the things I had I had a deposition uniform, and I never worked on the street. It was it was absolutely starched, stiff, it was it was fit, it was tailored, it accentuated my chest made my waist look nice and small. I had everything was spit polished on this thing. And one of the things I had was those mirrored aviator glasses, sunglasses, and I wore those throughout the entire deposition. And so if you ask asked me a question as if you're the defense attorney, and remember, we're in deposition now. Okay. And there's no cameras back in the day. Oh, yeah. This is just a courtroom by snugger for typing everything down.

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Yeah. So I don't know what, at what point in time did you decide to make the traffic stop?

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I made traffic stop at nine o'clock at night. Let's see a little overly aggressive. Oh, yeah. overly aggressive, insane. And, you know, I wanted overtime, you know, so take this thing to court. And it was so much fun to watch these guys. They knew that they got a loon. I mean, you're gonna go to court and this guy is gonna be a complete loser. I'm gonna look great in front of my client, you know, and it was always the white glove attorneys that, you know, they didn't have a lot of call street experience. And, you know, so I could go on for hours on that. But he profiled him and I would just screw with him something fierce, I'd have a ball and then they would you know, you would say something like, why are you so angry? I'm not angry at all. You know? I'm not angry at all. And just so you just you had these guys and then of course I had my other uniform in the uniform I showed up in court was my three piece suit or white shirt, my red or blue tie. I never wore that anywhere else didn't go to church. Nothing. That was that was my court attire. Sure. And I had a tie for each day if I needed I had it all set up, and I made sure that was out of sight. And but on top of mind of Rocco, the attorney from, you know, Dewey Cheatham and Howe screwing their client with major bills and I can walk in and I had one case in Tampa on the old courthouse, and the guy objected. So I walked into the doors and I sworn in before I sat down. So Your Honor, I object this is not the man did the deposition on? Yeah, it was the late Harry Lico. And he chuckled. He looked at me and he grinned. And he said, You got Truesdale? Oh, but I will say this, I did have a lot of fun. I did a lot of the guys down there from back in the days I'd make the phone calls and say I got a trial coming up. And who is it? I'd say who it is, man. I packed the courthouse. The guys love it. I had fun doing it. But see, but here's the thing, you drill for skill, you go back and you look at a scene, you you memorize everything you can possibly memorize. And the thing you

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go back to go back to your notes, you review all the relevant details to your case, and you make sure you have a good memory as to what happens so that you don't get tripped up by basic, basic, basic stuff. So

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when you were watching the depth trial, yeah, the people who didn't use notes that were that guy from TMZ. Very, very credible.

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Well, yeah, there's several people like that throughout, especially the expert witnesses who there were a few expert witnesses who sat there and were visibly like confused. And one woman immediately started referencing her notes. And she said to psychology, yes. Something like that is just embarrassed.

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One who was practicing for 15 years but got her license. 10 years, I wasn't there. No one No, she's actually a real expert.

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She was okay, I got them confused. Now, there was another one who has a total loan. And they told her is very weird. I won't go into but anyways. And then you have other people who actually knew their stuff. Like there was this one guy. He's a entertainment law guy in particular, he focused his focus was on contracts. That's pretty much all he did was was compensation contracts. And this guy has like 47 years of experience. And he just, you know, you could ask him any question about anything? And he just, he just stares at you like, No, it doesn't work that way. Now, Warner Brothers doesn't work that way. They would never do this. And he's like, you know, talks about I'm surprised they've mentioned that normally, they wouldn't, they wouldn't even mention that in the deposition unless they're forced to because that goes to how to make decisions on XY and Z. did he act a little bored? He wasn't bored. But he was obviously like, you know, he just he just knows, he just knows stuff forward and backward. Like he just, you know, yeah, he was more disgusted with probably, you know, witnessing people attorneys who have had years to prepare for, you know, a lawsuit and he still knew more than them. Yeah, I'll be out this specific case. It's just, you know, I guess the other thing is, you know, when you go to the closing arguments, you know, the defense was was was decent, and then the other half was atrocious, but from some of the posts of closing analysis, I mean, and and, and this is, this is an observation I had while I was watching it, too, is even depths people, you know, they read from notes and they had papers at their closing they had a little podium and they had their little notes as they're talking to the jury how do you how do you not have like, why can't you speak contemporaneously off the top of your head about trial that you've been preparing for four years? Let me ask your question. Give me a couple of weeks and I could give a pretty close to on the spot or ation as to the facts of the case just because I think it's interesting these this is this is their job, you're getting paid, you know, couple 100 Couple $1,000 an hour per person for years to prepare for this and you need notes and these are some of the best attorneys in the country supposedly, yeah, just kind of embarrassing from that perspective, because we're where's the people that can give this you know, the Johnnie Cochran courtroom oration that actually captivates people because these people didn't lack any emotion? Because these people didn't lack emotion? Right? I mean, depths attorneys like they know him. They know he this is all these accusations are

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big, and they just they know him because they've been with him for a long time. Yeah, he has a team.

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Yeah, he has a team of attorneys that have been with him for since his divorce proceedings, what, four or five years ago. And you know, the reality is a lot of stuff that could not or didn't, or what weren't allowed to come into evidence in this trial. These people have seen behind the scenes, they've seen how these people, you know, act behind closed doors when they're not in front of cameras, and I'm sure you know, the guy that seems like, you know, death, whether you like his movies or not, he seems like he's a pretty normal guy. At the end of the day.

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I don't do drugs, but I would love to sit down, have a beer with the guy and shoot the breeze, he would be I think, absolutely hilarious.

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He seems he seems like a normal guy. I mean, you know, a lot of a lot of people, you know, seem unrelatable on there, that kind of position in life, and they present themselves as totally unreliable weirdos. This guy just seems like, you know, he's just down to have a good time where, you know, imagine the stuff that didn't or couldn't come out at trial. If we're finding out that, you know, we've got all this crazy stuff going on all these wild, wacky accusations you can imagine that's 10 times worse behind the scenes

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where there's no doubt in my mind that Johnny Depp has an inner monologue he can carry on a conversation Shouldn't his own mind and he's figuring things out? I guarantee that's for sure. And how many times not to sound self serving, but I am. How many times have you seen me? I'm walking up and down the halls I'm outside when what am I doing? I'm rehearsing and talking all the time. Yeah, absolutely. And when I was a cop, one of the things I used to do, I used to practice threatening people. Of course, nowadays, you can't do that. Because everybody's got a camera and everything's fine. You

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can it just has to be, you know, under the right circumstances, my philosophy, de escalate. Yeah, my philosophy and stuff. A bunch of crap. My philosophy was,

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I'd rather scare the Holy hell out of somebody than have to put hands on him. It always was, I really do believe in that. And just like, I believe in free speech, this is why I said in the very beginning, how drunk I am, how wet I'll be, we can't sing songs the way we should. Because you can't have those conversations with professors anymore. And one of the things I used to say to people, and it was funny, oftentimes with people from New York and New Jersey, it comes down to Tampa, they're drunk, they get a fight, you know, and they're, you know, and oh, yeah, you get the scene.

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Yeah, here comes the, I would call the New York elitism. Yeah, they act like somehow there's like a magical line, you pass and then everybody's retarded or has like mental issues.

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Yeah. What do you think so? So we come up, and you know, you got to go to jail because you'd beat the hell out your girlfriend, and it's like you and whose army and it was always again, I'm just I haven't done this for years. But dude, you realize you're in the south where we have throwdown guns, and so I'm going to reach my my hand pull your heart out, show it to you then shove it up your anus. I'm the one your mother warned you about. I haven't killed anybody in the last two weeks. And I would like to kill the New Yorker you mofo sob turned on to his behind your back because I'm about to go fucking nuts. And you know what what most people do oh man, you're crazy. I didn't have to put hands on him other than compliment well, anyway everyone smile then you had the guy who no matter what you did, you're going to fight so and that's why you learn to fight. It is what it is. What is by the way I have a new business for us is called kayaker disclaimers. This is a whipsaw changing direction. Yes. It was not a good segue. But what Kai kayakers in Nevada since we were talking earlier about the Hells Angels. And yeah, once kayakers flipped her a kayak and he hung onto the rocks for a prolonged period of time he got saved they were in Lake Tahoe so I'm thinking you know litigation Johnny Depp all his lawyers kind of we probably can make some money if we can copyright the massive like, you know, ladder type disclaimer for kayaks because I think we need to find these guys and sign them up to sue. I don't know the rocks and they're clinging on Yeah, well, the

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rocks do have a big bank account. So yeah, well, I

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mean, who owns the rocks? I don't know somebody? Well, the government owns it. So yeah, I mean, government for sure. sharp rocks. Sounds about right. Yeah, just like we need to also find a way to capitalize on the mysterious pulse that's been detected in the sky. It's coming yes coming 1300 light years away from Earth and you've spotted a something going

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whatever it is. Yeah, it's the frequency what's the

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it's according to the conversation is the pulse of the Milky Way and it's we've been visited I don't know if it's by from Vega. But yeah, it's apparently it's repeating every 76 seconds. No. 1776 every 76 seconds. It's repeating itself. Do

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you think? Why is this relevant to anything going on in the world? Just thought it was just a distraction of the week. Yes. But wait a minute base trying to remind everybody it exists, please. Waiting space?

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What is the new big boogeyman that we've got to start fighting? I don't know. Would it be aliens?

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I think that's taken a backseat to the ambition of global Communism. But you know, they'll get back around to one of these days. Yeah.

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Well, tell everybody your theory on that. Because I actually think is brilliant. You've talked about a little bit in the past about how you know, it's, you've always got to have a boogey man, you got to have something and

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yeah, I mean, there's a there's a I don't, I don't think it was written down or anything and it's just sort of rumor, but you know, whatever. That Verner von Braun Secretary, I think that was the source of or call, you know, again, it's hearsay, whatever, there's no proof of any of this, but she said that he said, so again, definitely hearsay that, you know, after, you know, the Cold War ended, if it ended amicably then you know, there would always be a boogeyman and you know, the after that would be what a war on, you know, I think was rogue nations and then terrorism, and then after that it would be space or something, something along those lines. And you know, from from a thinking man's perspective, Captain Obvious, like, you have to have something to rally the people to get them behind whatever the great challenge of the era is, whatever, you know,

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good bad God devil,

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you don't always have enough stuff. But you know, a lot of people think of that as like, oh, well, that means that you know, the Cold War and you know, the threat of communism is fake. And, you know, you see that in a lot of like, I would say, a little, let's say, skeptical communities, because, you know, there's a portion of the population that thinks everything is fake or engineered or manufactured. And then of course, And those people are used to show that there's no such thing as a conspiracy at all because you know, everything they've ever said is fake. So therefore the real conspiracy when it comes along when there is a some type of devious plot by somebody, oh, that's organic too. It's such a joke. But um, you know, it's it's, it makes sense I mean, you know from from a political management kind of management of the masses perspective like, hey, you need to have a boogeyman you know, you those are kind of broad spectrum boxes that you can kind of fit anything into, you know, you back in the day, you could fit a lot of stuff into the communism box. And fast forward a few years and you've got rogue nations who aren't following the world, the world standards in the world order. Well, yeah, you can throw you know, basically anybody who doesn't agree into that box and terrorism, you can throw pretty much anything in the previous two categories into that box and then space and that's when it starts to get a little sketchy because then you can start getting into questions of proof I can prove that you know, somebody decided to put on a suicide vest and blow themselves up I can't exactly prove the orb noise from the sky means a man Mimosa than the very confusing part is how does the threat of space and aliens and things like that if we're going to be under attack? Like it's Independence Day? John, just hypothetically, how do the Flat Earthers respond to that? Because you've got some really hilarious people I think they're some of the most entertaining people on the planet the Flat Earthers

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ladies and gentlemen boys and girls wonderful Flat Earthers are people who actually believe that the earth is flat flat Yep, very very flat. We're in some kind of bio dome thing or something like

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I there's so many weird oddities to their their thing you know, they think they think the earth is flat they think, you know, there's like, there's like, the thing is like, none of them agree on anything either, which makes it even funnier. There's a guy a camera Kimber has a YouTube channel. It's like, I don't know, this is tall lanky guys got kind of crazy, frizzy hair. And he does these like fake news reporter interviews used to have a funny YouTube channel and then I think he got taken advantage of by some buddy Anyways, long story. But anyways, he has this thing called like network Nine News or something like that. It's not something silly like that guy. He's pretending to be like a local news reporter. And he just goes around to crazy stuff. And he just interviews people like he went to a Q anon Maga rally and interview those people. And oh, my god, like the levels of cult worship that we're going on there was scary, you know, all kinds of other stuff. Like he went to Burning Man, I think and interviewed some people there. And I was just like, No, yikes. And obviously, like he's doing it as a man on the street type thing. So you know, you're getting the craziest of weirdos that go to these things. Because you get a man on the street and interview that, like, understands what's going on in the world? And the answer is, rationally are they going to use that tape? No, they're gonna hit delete, and they're gonna go find another job. But it is quite funny. So anyways, this guy went to a flat earth convention. And if you can find the flat earth convention by the sky, it is by far one of the funniest things ever. And you had all these characters, let's just say and you know, they're singing songs about other earth being flat. And you know, they're all wearing weird costumes. And this guy has like his BMW like with stickers and stuff all over it. And, you know, some of these people seem like sane and then they start going into diatribes about how you know the ice wall dams around the sphere plane a spherical or that not sphere, the the flat circle that we live on for keeping everybody in, you know, the sun is I don't they have, like all these weird explanations for things instead of just saying that this is a dumb theory, no, no, they have to double down and double down and double down and double down. And, you know, my my, the one question that I always came up with, or the Flat Earther stuff that okay, let's just assume all your theories are true, which I'm not going to do that. But let's, you know, for the sake of argument, let's assume how does the Coriolis effect like fall into your theory? Like how does that like that's, that's a provable thing that like we've had to, we've had to take into account the spin of the earth and the direction and everything involved for things like long range artillery, and stuff like that, going back to the beginning of long range artillery, and long range munitions and things in the military, right? I mean, even taking into some mild amount of effect, you're doing long range. When you're shooting long range, Sniper type stuff. Oh, you know, nobody has a rational explanation for it. All they do is they just they try and debunk that effect as being a real thing. And it has, you know, whatever. And it's just silly. I mean, it's just go to the flattest place you can go to and look out at the horizon like you can see the curvature of the earth, I think one of the funniest retorts to the flat earth people is like, Have you ever been on an airplane, I have a feeling a lot of these people have never been on an airplane before. Once you get up 30,000 feet, the curvature of the earth becomes very visible.

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Well, it looks like anything else. If you get enough people to believe it, then it's fact I mean, you know, like, for example, COVID we're not going to go down that rabbit hole. But if you get enough people to believe it, and if you object to it, or you're going to be hung out to dry so gotta be careful and we may need to become flat earthers to survive in the future, not any different than the fact that just out of curiosity has pretty much the entire nation. In an opened up to commerce again or do we have any lockdowns?

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There are no significant lockdowns that I'm aware of. So some like hyper local things are some there's some things going on, but I'm not aware of anything. So

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can you infer any possible reason at all any possible reason at all figure out why New York City is still in the process of terminating NYPD detectives who refuse to get vaccinated.

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Something something public safety

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something something public say Well, speaking of public safety, if you go to the website called Hey, jackass, you can get a pretty well ongoing run of all the murders and shootings in Chicago. I want to congratulate Chicago's top police officer. He said that he was very proud of what happened over Memorial Day, they didn't have anywhere near the kind of murders that they thought they only had fit. They only had 50 people shot in Chicago. They made 13 arrests. They pull the loving guns off of people but yeah, they shot 50 killed nine and so he gave he gave everybody an A for effort. And because they recovered turn 50 guns 69% increase over last year. And so that's that's a success. Only 50 people Yeah, you

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know, you've got some problems, or measure for success is only 50 people being shot nine killed. That's that's something really is something.

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Well, I think we should call it get done with us. What else? Do you got anything else before we get out of here?

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Yeah, I mean, you know, standard standard stuff on the world's going on, you know, idiots are still idiots. Some smart people are still doing smart things, regardless of the circumstances in the world. You know, as far as what's going on in Ukraine with that seems to be a tough conversation, at least for the past few of these. Well, I guess since we've since we've been doing this fairly regularly. And as expected least from me, Russians are burning out of targets and equipment Koreans have increased increasing resolve by the day and we keep sending them more stuff but not enough to end which is disappointing because you know my philosophy on it would be to send them everything that they want and more and get just get it over with because this is a crock of BS but

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I love watching the ATVs they're like Whack a Mole like Congo kangaroos running around Ukraine and just blowing up all the tanks and it just Oh, yeah, it is amazing to see these guys hopping all around doing what they're doing. I just love it.

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So it's, it's it's organized guerrilla warfare. I mean, that's what it has been the Ukrainians are on the defensive, this is the thing, like a lot of people don't really understand from a strategic standpoint that, you know, there has to be battle lines, and you have to be able to suppress or repel large masses of troops but and, you know, any any country, there's certain roads and certain geography and terrain features that allow this to happen. And you know, just because you can get, you know, a squat or a couple squads, guys of our mountain or over an open field or something, you know, in an inopportune time doesn't mean you can get two or three or 5000. Guys, right. So you have to pick your terrain. You know, there's, there's, there's a lot of stuff that you know, does not come through when you look at your kind of standard analysis on these things. Because people are usually looking at flat maps that don't have any topography. It doesn't show tree, you know, tree density doesn't show, you know, a lot of these things, they just just look at a map and they think well, why don't they just go through here? It's like, well, dum dum, did you look at did you look at the satellite pictures, you can look at satellite pictures of anywhere in the world. Now take a look like that's a mountain you're gonna get in tanks over the mountain. Well, in the eastern part of Ukraine, it's actually kind of interesting, because there's a huge amount of terrain variance, I guess. And you know, you've got some big rivers you've got, you have a lot of, kind of, I wouldn't call mountains but you know, tall hills, let's say and valleys. So, you know, you've got a lot of that going on. And so there's specific areas where you can only get, you can only get masses of people through and that's what the Ukrainians have prepared for for almost a decade, and they're doing a pretty damn good job with a limited amount of people and a limited number of losses in the grand scheme of things to just make this just the worst war of attrition for the for the Russians. So almost as Soviets you know, fits I guess, you know, whatever I imagine what we call them the Soviets again, as you have members of their parliament proposing that they changed the Russian flag with the Soviet flag again into think that people a few months ago said they're not trying to put the Soviet Union back together. It's like, yeah,

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they're getting the old gang back er,

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but in any case, you know, so from an actual like warfare perspective, it's hilarious because you get to see what high tech terrorism looks like. Not from like a military obviously, like I'm talking about like what we think of the small groups of people sneaking around you know, evading you know, the high tech equipment that the Russians obviously have a maybe not as in as effective or in the highest quantity as they would have liked to make everybody think they had but you know, they still have it. I mean, both sides have, you know, thermal imaging capabilities and drones and precision long range missiles, even if the Russian long range missiles are not as precise as everybody thought they were before the war. But you know, they're serious. first things to be concerned with. And then you got, you know, some Ukrainian soft guys or for the layman, that's special operations forces driving around and, you know, four wheel drive little off road four by four vehicles with, you know, these anti-tank guy, big bazooka, yeah, these anti tank guided missiles that they guide in with a little like laptop looking game console, basically, you know, from this, I think the maximum range on those things is like five kilometers, so they can be really far away. A whole

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new world demands a whole new world. It is.

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But you know, the thing is, like, we've seen a little bit of this kind of how effective this kind of warfare can be going back a few years, in places like Yemen, and Syria, where a relatively small number of people have, especially when they were given us assistance, could you know, effectively topple governments, pretty significant governments and think there was a guy camera, the guy with the guy's name hit a funny moniker. And as far as I know, he was trying to get the ability to go to Ukraine to fight for the Ukrainians, but he was in I think, Yemen, and he had like, some ridiculous number of anti tank guided munition kills of tanks and other vehicles, I think it was like confirmed at like, 40 or 50, you know, just destroying with anyways, I think I think it was in Yemen. But it may have been Syria doesn't really matter. But the point is, is just, you know, we've seen little glimmers of like how effective this technology could be, if deployed in this, you know, highly mobile, very tactical, and intelligent kind of the intelligent use of a limited resource.

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He was the modern Audie Murphy wasn't a Yeah, I would say was Eddie Murphy was an American soldier. Back in the day he went on to become an actor, songwriter and a rancher and he was one of the most decorated American combat men who have ever served, you get a chance to look them up Audi first name AUD, i e, middle name, Leon S name, Murphy, conventional spelling. Yeah. So

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it's interesting, because obviously, the there's there's aspects of this conflict that are turning into a traditional positional War, where it's, you know, large amounts of troops fighting each other on a fairly agreed upon battle lines, particularly in the south, and particularly in the East. But then there's this tremendous amount of of use of what you would call irregular units with small squads of guys, like I said, riding around in little small, you know, fairly quiet vehicles, use of drones, those drones are unbelievable. And there's no there's the thing is a lot of these things are homemade, or they're made by, you know, basically small shops. And, you know, this is a joke that we've talked about, you know, going back to the beginning of this is that if Ukraine actually does collapse from the Russian vision, obviously, we're well beyond that ever being a reality of or even a possibility. But if that were to happen, like, you know, we were talking about this in early March, imagine the nightmare that it would be for the Russians to wrangle control this country like these people hate hate the idea of getting back under the thumb of Russia, you know, it's a country of pretty smart, generally speaking people with a lot of machining and technical, high technology skills and capabilities, machine shops all over the country. You know, this isn't Afghanistan, this isn't Iraq. This is a country of technically capable, highly motivated people that imagine the absolute nightmare that it would be to try and occupy the thing you know, so, you know, we talked about that as like, you know, good luck with that guerrilla warfare. Like, you're not going to have one dude with a roadside bomb every week, you're gonna have like, one every hour, you know, it's just it'd be a nightmare.

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Yeah, if you think Afghanistan was bad for the Russians. And if you think Vietnam was bad for us, you ain't seen nothing yet. And instead,

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that that has been proven, but just in a different context, because these people with these capabilities are using their skills and their resources in support of their military. So you have things like you know, a drone flying around that's dropping anti tank grenades on tanks, and it's like, Well,

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did you know dinner wasn't a video we watched for the damn thing went through the open patch and right in Oh, yeah,

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yeah, that's a great video. Yeah, you have some you have some Russians walking around and they have a vehicle they stole from a civilian Of course, and they have their big, big Z on it. And yeah, the drone flies by and drops a grenade in like an area right in an area right around where a bunch of troops are standing probably just bullshitting and doing the normal thing you do as a soldier in the middle of a war zone you hurry up and wait and center and wait for something to happen and somebody gets injured I think multiple people get injured so anyways, they they round everybody up and get into the vehicles and they go they go to flee and the drone then drops another grenade and it's the luckiest grenade throw from a drone ever if that if that's that could be a sport actually. Like the grenade falls right into the open sunroof of the vehicle and explodes and in the vehicle kind of just Peters off and smashes into a fence some Yep, that was the end of those four or five guys that rent a vehicle or you know are no more

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seat now. We got to get our buddies in Hollywood and we got to go and get on Bravo. That would be a channel we could go to drone war drone. Well, they had drone flying contest right acing

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Well, this one could be different this is this would be like a what do you think? It's like the triathlon of drone? With the Iron Man of drone sports you have to you have to win a race you have to race you get different points for different aspects of the competition right your race if you have to, you have to drop an object with accuracy. Like this all the time. You know, there are a whole bunch of things. Oh, you know, combine a couple other little little things. What was

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that thing? They used to have people they had all the muscle bound people and they were shooting and beating up the contestants and they had to go through like a track what used to be on TV these types of stupid shows. Oh, come on. You know you you swing on a swing. You swing on a rolling or yeah, I'm from down south here. Are ya swinging on a rope and you hit like you had a guy?

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Ninja Warrior? And then you

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see you know what? I was talking?

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Beaten the hell out? What is this? Like? You're going through a gauntlet of people like with martial arts? Like got a guy with adults or and he's gonna whack you.

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Really? It's Clint Eastwood in the gauntlet right now.

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I had a totally different mental Ninja Warrior.

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drone, drone warfare.

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Don't drone into drones ninja drones? Yeah. Okay, so we own it. If you if you do it, we got a copyright on it. We just thought about it. So I think it's worth at least a couple million bucks for the right so that we don't you think Sure.

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But you know, it's but the reality is, you know, you've put these these weird things into into reality, which is what you're seeing there. Um, one this is obviously going to be the most photographed and videoed war of all time, are multiple reasons. One, everybody has a cell phone and to it's interesting, but the other thing is, is you know, you're seeing these technological changes happen in real time. You know, the prevalence of drones just even for the purposes of basic surveillance and Battlefield observation, while something is happening is huge.

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Well, that's an amazing thing. You see a guy he's doing whack a mole, off goes a drone, and you see his little tiny dot and then the next scene is you got the drone overhead and you see a tank blowing up? Yeah, it's great. I mean,

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there's a great video of some American and British volunteers who are in a unit and they ambush a tank, I think is a BMP so what is it BMP technically isn't a it's not it's an infantry fighting vehicle, or is it a whatever the the military super experts will be very mad. But anyways, um, yes, baby tank, let's call it baby tank, maybe tank gets blown up. But then they ambush it. It's interesting, because these guys are speaking English. So you know, our perspective, we, you know, it's cool. But anyways, British and American volunteers and, you know, you see their body cam perspective, which is cool. But then the other thing you see is you see a drone. So they're flying a drone, they got position, they were able to get close enough without, you know, getting ambushed by other people or another vehicle or something. It's these types of things that are dramatically changing how wars are going to be fought forever. And you know, that's why the the United States Marine Corps is, you know, turning into basically one giant, special operations organization, at least that's what their plan is over the next couple of years. That's why all of these changes across modern militaries are happening, you know, huge amounts of investment in technology and drones and newer weapons systems to be able to engage people longer distances, and you know, it's things are changing dramatically, and

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all the things that we follow in our military procurement are kellyo.

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Yeah. And, you know, you look at what's going on with Ukraine, in particular with with deliveries of equipment and munitions and things from foreign countries. And the staggering thing to me that I didn't really have the perspective was how much Soviet either built or designed equipment is in a lot of even NATO countries. It's part of their militaries, tanks, infantry, fighting vehicles and stuff like that.

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The leftovers from the days of the Cold War. Yeah. And which never really ended. Yeah. And

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then a lot of more modernized, right. So they're not like the pieces of total pieces of junk that they were in the Soviet times. But it is interesting that there's a lot of the stuff and for me, I see countries like Greece saying, hey, we'll send all this these modernize. I think BMPs will send those infantry fighting vehicles to Ukraine. Hey, Germany, can you send us some of the new stuff that you guys are making NATO standard equipment, please, for a nice little discount because we're helping out friends. Yeah, great. Got stuff like that happening all over the place. So for me, from my perspective, as far as military procurement goes, the effectiveness of NATO equipment and the force multiplier that it actually has over this just atrocious Soviet equipment, the military procurement going forward is just going to be staggering. Will it show up in the you know, the company returns? Yeah, they will will be overnight No, but it's a good long term bet in my view, because like the the expenditures are there. I mean, you know, you don't have countries like what is it a Germany just double their military budget? And then decide to spend an extra 100 billion on modernization. Japan just recently increased their military budget within the past year to what is it around $50 billion, which is significant amount. And given that everybody's afraid of Japan, you know, doing doing imperialism again. But you know, $50 billion is a lot of money. It's like 1% of their GDP roughly buys a lot of military stuff. I mean, for example, of Russia, their military budget in recent years has been about 50 to 60 billion somewhere in there. So it's a lot, you know, it would put them in top five, I think, for military expenditures by country, and they're debating on what exact number they're going to decide on. But their goal for this next year is to double that to 2% of GDP, or approximately $100 billion. So now you have Western or Western aligned militaries that are heavily investing in military because they've realized they've rested on our laurels for too long because Oh, the Cold War's over, there's no there's nothing to worry about. Well, you're rising China and Russia has got psychotic, crazy man ambitions. My brother had the absolute funniest perspective. He said, Yeah, Russia is, is like as far as like their military capabilities and their grandiosity. They're like Ethiopia with nuclear weapons. That was kind of funny, because it was like, yeah, and implementation. It's like, yeah, just give Ethiopia a lot of people. And funnily enough, they use Soviet standard military equipment. So if it wasn't for the obvious differences in the ethnic populations, it would become very, it becomes the you take that one thing away, I would say it would be pretty hard to see exactly what these people are, how they differentiate in their their military capabilities. And and obviously, that number really comes into corruption, or that observation comes in really comes into corruption, tremendous amounts of corruption. I think he made that comment after there was a hilarious article that came out that apparently, high ranking Russian General was almost killed by his own people, because they were he was ordering them to the front. And I think it was the artillery men got mad about the situation they threatened to shell the command center. All the staff was like, wow, I think that's how he responded to it. I was like, Yeah, that sounds like something that happened in Third World Military for sure.

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Ingo, just a curiosity, would you be willing to take a few phone calls from prospective clients to discuss the military procurement portfolio? Sure, what number do they call 212? What is it 212-433-2520

1:02:11
For them set number again to one, two, or three 325 25.

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And you can share some information about what we have there, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Just curious. You know, you were talking about all the different topography and people don't realize things. And I mean this very sincerely, because it's been several decades. Now. Do you remember when we bought the ranch in Idaho, of course, okay. You remember the picture of your sister and your brother and you we have that great picture. We in the background is a sawtooth. And you remember when we were at the very peak of the of our property in I believe it's about a mile to the road, we have all that. And then the main road was it like five miles down, I forgot what it is, I want to say it's like 40. But whatever you remember, when we turned we looked around, and we saw all the all the deer and the antelope and all that. And were you there with us when we were doing it? I don't know, if you were at the hotel, if your mom and I were there. I'm pretty sure to remember that. But you remember when we got to the top of the I know you've been there, when we got to the top of the property on the way in the back there. And then we realized, holy crap, we back up on Bureau of Land Management property, and we had unlimited access to it. So we had like bizzabo land. That was just cool. All right. Absolutely. It it was like I mean, as far as you can see, right Valley was as far as you can see, all the mountains and all there, you know, we were on a peak, there's no way we could sit there with one of these Whack a Mole things and we could shoot anybody with the technology we got today. You'll never take you'll never take the sawtooth.

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And you know, what's hilarious is that technology was available back then. Yeah, because things have changed. And at the same time, they haven't changed a lot. So what's that phrase? The more things change, the more they stay the same. Like, you know, there is an aspect of that to all this. It's quite funny. All the

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technology in the world doesn't negate the fact that you basically can go into the mountains and hide, you know, the Tora, Tora Bora is not the only place out there where there's big mountains.

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Yeah, it was having a kind of like a respective analysis, I guess, on you know, how different things are because, you know, a lot of people are like, well, you know, the Russians, you know, I guess a lot of people are coming to terms with the reality of the Russian military is not as amazing as everybody's been, you know, brought to think it is or it was, but it's funny to put things into perspective of, you know, yeah, the US military has its deficiencies and it has, you know, we've got our problems like everybody else, but let's put things into perspective. We don't have the corruption we well, but aside from all that, like let's but put into a serious like, like we've all experienced it perspective, the US military can deploy 10s of 1000s of people to a landlocked mountainous slash desert country on literally the other side of the world and spend the decade and then another decade, two decades they're just hanging out achieving nothing but trying to do good in the day failing and then leave wasting trillions of dollars doing so and a year after that has come it has concluded or As we got out at the beginning of last year, something like that, nobody really cares. I mean, yeah, everybody's sad about the people that got injured and got killed over there. And those sorts, those sorts of wounds obviously will never heal. But you know, aside from those things, and well, what's a couple trillion dollars, and you know, our military, at least, we got a lot of good combat experience. And we got to learn a lot of lessons and how to fight in that kind of terrain. And we got to really, really, without losing perspective on the real threats in the world, we got to test out equipment, and guys got good combat experience. And sadly, you have to think like that. And, you know, we figured out, you know, how can you run a 20 year war on the other side of the planet, like, logistically? And how does that work and the geopolitics involved in the intelligence? How do you know all that stuff that goes into her? And you know, what I, like I said, I mean, you know, you know, lose, statistically, it's not a big deal. But, you know, obviously, on an individual basis, it sucks. But you know, you have a couple 1000 People that are killed, okay, whatever, you know, if you're a state manager perspective, obviously, you know, again, any individual loss sucks, but pretty good, given the number of years and how much stuff went on over there. Yeah, to

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all of you who have lost people in any war, or any kind of situation, we're not making light of your loss, or the loss of your loved ones, those of you who are living with injuries, or physical, emotional, intellectual, financial, we get it. But when it comes to hardcore numbers, it's everybody's a stat, and the world will continue without you, me and everybody else. So just understand we're looking at from a statistical standpoint. Yeah.

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I mean, like I said, I'm not you know, you're looking at it from a perspective of, you know, the managerial class. Right? Exactly. You know, we can do this in hindsight, ridiculous thing and lose a couple 1000 people and whatever, and we leave it on an amicable terms, for the most part. I mean, you know, we didn't get slaughtered, leaving the place. I mean, a few people died, and that sucks. But now, whatever. And the best part is, is the people that are taking over as we're leaving, they're actually the people that we've been killing for the past 20 years. And even they're like, Yeah, it's fine. Just like, just leave, like, Please, yeah, we've got some loons here, and we're gonna take care of them, whatever, you know, pretty pretty, like I said, pretty amicable type situation, given the circumstances. Meanwhile, the Russians are prosecuting war, for the most part, within 100 150 kilometers of their own territorial borders, and they've lost almost 40% of their combat effective troops in three months, and their economy in the short term is doing fine because of the measures and reserves and things that they have in place. But as we advance towards month four, or 5678 of this conflict, yeah, their economy is going to just implode, we just like water off a duck's back, just kind of wipe the water off and keep on these guys are gonna, they're gonna implode. I mean, they made a one of the grandest strategic failure, they made a decision and they are now going to endure one of the most grand strategic failures no aspiring Empire has ever has made in modern times. I mean, this type of failure can only be compared with always him It's humiliating in recent times, the only thing that compares is, is are just utter destruction of Iraq. And it's funny, because it's how that conflict is actually more relevant every day. I mean, I don't know if we've talked about in the podcast, or if it's just been one on one, it's hard to keep those straight sometimes. But, you know, I coincidentally got some interest in looking into the first Gulf War and all the stuff before all this started at the beginning of the year, you know, not a lot was going on. And I was like, Yeah, you know, I've read a lot of things about it. But how did it work? And I found some really cool YouTube videos where a guy went through like the actual battle plan and how laid out and I think we watched a couple of those. And it was from the air force air campaign to the ground campaign, and like how all that went, and given the circumstances, considering all the tremendous amount of weaponry Soviet weaponry that the Iraqis had, and they had a huge army and her defense capabilities and, you know, significant amount of equipment and capabilities. And you know, the reality is, is in six and a half or seven weeks, we wipe the floor with them. And what six of those weeks were the air campaign, the ground campaign lasted I think, what four or five days? Yep. And

1:09:03
that wasn't that was a joke. What wasn't a joke?

1:09:06
You know, we lost a lot of planes. And you know, we, but the number of our soldiers that we lost due to even even when you count all casualties is honestly pathetic. By comparison.

1:09:18
How many of the Russians do you think legitimately have lost not just combat injuries and death? What do you think the death rate right now is?

1:09:25
I mean, I think I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that the Ukrainians have gone and done this kind of like radical honesty thing, where they're just telling everybody the realities of the situation. They're not sugarcoating it because they don't want people they don't want to be viewed as liars. And they don't want to be viewed as deceivers to their own people. No, it's a being honest with them is a good trait, right? Granted, they can't tell them everything due to operational security, but when they can tell them things they do and they've been pretty upfront with since the very beginning about the Russian casualties, and it's about 30,000.

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In how many people did we How many soldiers did we lose in Vietnam and somewhere around six 80,000 So they've lost about half as many as we lost in Vietnam in that entire war three months versus nine years. And just to give you context, I'll give you context and make you really think about it. There was a fellow man of Richard J. Daley. He became mayor of Chicago in 1955, followed by Michael Belinda, Jane Bryan, Harold Washington, Eugene Sawyer, and then his son Richard M. Daley, Rahm Emanuel, and now a Beetlejuice, Lori Lightfoot. And in those years of Chicago has lost over 40,000 people to murder. So when you talk about statistics, you got to put it in perspective,

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perspective is important. And, you know, to put into words, the outrage. Yeah, I mean, and so, you know, as far as like the first Gulf War stuff goes, it was amazingly coincidental, because that informed a lot of my thinking Russian military equipment is it has advanced since the first Gulf War, but not as much as people would think. Because even the US military hasn't advanced as much as people would think, in that time period. Yeah, technology advances and stuff, but the tactics and you know, generally speaking, like, you know, it's this expensive, extremely expensive, as far as training, and then cost, you know, actual, you know, equipment and stuff investments, you know, it's a long term play. So a lot of these systems are still in use by everybody. It was in the first Gulf War is a very foreboding example of what NATO what the what the power of NATO would have done to a legitimate Soviet in a legitimate Soviet combat engagement. Yeah, at least in that time period in late 80s. Well, it would have been much higher casualties, obviously, for NATO in the United States, because you're going to be fighting people who are going to likely fight harder, you're going to have more more depth of equipment and things like that. But at the end of the day, you know, I suspect the ratios would be similar now, for the Ukrainians, you know, to put a little, you know, word of warning to that, that, you know, we don't know what the Ukrainian casualties are. We do know that civilian casualties for Ukraine are probably anywhere as high as 100,000. The Russians have been slaughtering civilians, and they still are to this day. I

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mean, their march the outrage. I mean, no, I

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mean, I mean, it's, it's awful. I mean, like, I have

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several people I know in Tampa that I no longer associate with because they say the Ukrainians are getting everything they deserve. I just can't handle Yeah, you see that? I can't handle that.

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It's atrocious. And you know, in the 100,000 number, I mean, is probably a lowball to be totally honest. I mean, there's, it's probably higher. And that is comes on top of, you know, millions of people displaced, you know, hundreds of 1000s of people that have been kidnapped and sent to, you know, literal like work camps inside of Russia, they have the Ukrainian intelligence, which obviously has infiltrated Russia as bad as thoroughly as we have, obviously, you know, they they have hundreds of what they call like, a camera, the name of it, but basically, it's like sorting facilities that they bring in, they try and figure out like, you know, how best to deal with you and how best to utilize you as as a resource. And you know, the reality is when people say, Oh, the Soviet Union is not coming back together. Well, please explain to me when it ended, because the more I learned about Russia, modern Russia and the transition out of, you know, the USSR as an entity and into the Soviet and out of the Soviet Union and into the modern Russian Federation, I can't tell where it begins and ends. All it

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was was a modern mafia, bankruptcy, and we wound up funding them again. Yeah. And my you know, remember, you remember, Grandpa, you remember my dad is? What'd he say? We should have gone in there after World War One. When he talked about China. He said, I'm sorry. I said, we're one he used to say he ever

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won. Yeah, I mean, we should have actually backed up the white Resistance Army that as I'm learning, you know, more the more stuff I learned. Oh, where where were they headquartered? Oh, yeah. In Ukraine. That was the biggest area of resistance against against the Bolsheviks. And why were they so thoroughly genocided by the Soviets, time and time again, while they were under Soviet occupation? Oh, is because they resisted the role of the Soviets harder than almost anybody else. And in the Soviet bloc.

1:13:56
I'm going to make a note, and I'm going to and one of these podcasts. I'm gonna talk about Uncle Walt. Sure. Yeah. It's a great story, isn't it?

1:14:02
Yeah. But you know, it's just the context and the history and these places matters. And unfortunately, you have a lot of people and it's really, it's, it's, it's abundant in the United States. You have a city like, like, Kyiv. And, you know, the city's 1500 years old. 1500 Yeah. And they probably have, like, you know, like bakeries and stuff that are older than this country, at least, you know, official, you know, like, please, you people have no idea what that means to somebody's like, psyche that's under attack. So, you know, a lot of people will make offhand comments, because they're just, they're not tied to the land like they are over there. And if you know that, you know, like, a good example is like people who live in Odessa. I've mentioned this a few times. So it's a truly ancient city. You know, the city of Odessa, proper shore, it's probably meandered a little bit and whatever. But you know, the Greeks settled that area somewhere around 25 2600 years ago, it was the, as far as I know, like the one of the northern most outposts of Greek settlements in In the Black Sea, and it's been a signal, it's been consistently inhabited area for that long at least. I mean, the culture there is tremendous. And the history there is tremendous because believe it or not, people wrote it down. And it's interesting,

1:15:14
interesting how some civilizations write things down and others can't seem to even make a pencil.

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Yeah. But anyways, a you know, you can talk about this stuff forever. But point is, is just context matters in a lot of these things. And you know, it's funny because you have a lot of Western leaders trying to find the out on the Ukraine problem, because it's causing lots of economic issues and stuff, you know, it's amplifying the gas shortage that we would have been having anyways, and all kinds of stuff. And it's funny because they're, they've got themselves really in a bind, because there's no way out like you have people that are going to fight to the death do you want to like be the ones that left him out to dry? Well, no, nobody wants to do that. So they're forced to be in a position where they support them because of their own perseverance because of their own dedication to getting out of this problem. And it's been quite funny to have responses to people like Henry Kissinger, which don't even start we could have talked about and we'll we'll talk more about that. Henry Kissinger and Uncle Walton next time were you Henry Kissinger what what what can you say? Well, it's more like what can't you say? But anyways, you know, when when you've got Ukrainian government officials basically saying you know, fu to people that suggests that they should get cede territory you know, it's inspiring it's you know, to to the people who who have a an image of America that is in a lot of cases long since gone as the kind of rebellion middle finger to the the empires of old. It is definitely kind of it is definitely inspiring given given that they are this old, at least as a civilization in a culture they still have this kind of angry Independence I guess you'd call

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Well, we began with a song I think I'll end with a song I think I'll do something like this. How drunk I am how dad I'll be a Russian up a tree. If I come down, they will kill me if I stay up high. They'll drone my baby. We shouldn't do that route here.

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